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New Media, Old Media, Pageviews, RSS Readers, Twitter Followers, Facebook Fans, Listeners…What does it all mean

I read a post yesterday about pageviews not mattering. I could not disagree more.

The post also spoke of rss readers and other viral readership via other social media mattering… To this I do agree, however pageviews matter more!

This is my main point: bloggers utilize facebook, twitter, rss feeds, youtube, podcasts, and many other social media outlets to garner readership and expand their reach of who sees the articles which are on the blog sites. All of this other “social media” usage is supposed to drive traffic back to their websites. That is the point. If you increase your scope of readership through social media, you will increase your traffic.

For instance, when I post an article a link is automatically posted on the facebook fan page and streamed through twitter. This typically includes the title and a link. It is my job to create a title that will entice the reader to click through to the blog and read what I have to say.

It stands to reason that the more the twitter followers or facebook fans then the increased chance of someone clicking through to the blog. The more the merrier. However, without those click throughs (as a blogger) you should be reevaluating your message, titles, and delivery.

The post I am referring to is Firefighter Blogging Behind the Scenes. Jay over at Firefighter Hourly has begun a campaign to move to the mainland after being out on an island by himself for so long…or so it seems. In the past, the blog has been out there by itself independent of all the great networking many other bloggers have enjoyed between each other. So many fire blogs feed off of each other via content links, twitter retweets, posting articles on each others facebook fanpages, emailing back and forth, and all around enjoying each others company online. Jay has taken a different approach. I am not exactly sure what the plan has been, but it seems as though he is changing his ways.

Don’t get me wrong, I am not saying he is doing anything wrong. I am just pointing out that by networking with other blogs and being in some of the circles I am in, the cross traffic proliferation of our messages has been easier. The networks I belong to are worthwhile and I have created many friendships along the way.

If you follow me on twitter or facebook, you will notice that it isn’t all about me or all about Fire Critic. It is about networking. I have always enjoyed helping out the little guy and still consider myself one of them…outside of all the jabs that some of my friends may take at my height.

In the end, the pageviews are what I measure my success by. What I write, what my readers read.

Oh yeah… and don’t forget that readers can’t click on advertisements if they don’t go to your site. Not all fire bloggers have monetized their blogs. The ones who have can’t get click throughs on advertising via twitter or facebook.

And just to be clear, I am not hung up on traffic. I enjoy my readership, but don’t really compare myself to anyone else. I post what I want when I want to. The reader gets to enjoy the serious stuff along with the fun stuff!

If you want to be successful, you have to use old media, new media, and social media!

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  • http://www.firefighterhourly.com Jay

    Rhett:

    A very thoughtful post. While it's true pageviews mean “something” I think you will find, in the next 18 months, a dramatic shift. My goal, and maybe I didn't express it well enough, is to offer clues as to how the shift has begun in small but quantifiable ways.

    Am I moving to the mainland? That's a good way to put it but my reason has less to do with wanting “numbers” and more to do with mortality, illness and wanting to see the fire service move forward. I've always marched to my own drummer and still do but any man who has a chance to survey life in view of death will likely see things he didn't see before. Hourly has been successful because it was on an island but “I” am not Hourly.

    The posts now at Halligan & Hose are more along the lines of what I'm leaving out on. They represent a group effort.

    All the best Rhett.

  • http://www.firefighterhourly.com Jay

    Oh and the click throughs to the blog mean little. People read the feeds or emails and get the information.

    Salut

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  • http://www.STATter911.com Dave Statter

    Rhett,

    Below is my response to all of this that I just posted on Mr. Lowry's website.

    Thanks,

    Statter

    Jay,

    Is this a change in policy? Allowing other bloggers to respond and take issue with what you write? The last time you refused to post or even acknowledge my very respectful comments asking you about your policy. This came after you killed Rhett's comments and blasted him for daring to post a comment on another person's blog.

    As a long time member of the “old media” and one of those “mainstream reporters” you have long warned people not to trust, I think you have it all wrong.

    It isn't about any of those things. It is about content. If I have had any success as a blogger or through Twitter and Facebook it is only because people are interested in what I am posting.

    Sure you can trick people in the short run to look at anything. If you don't tell them something they don't know about or provoke an interesting discussion, they aren't coming back. It doesn't matter what your platform is.

    It also helps to have an open exchange of ideas and not be fearful of someone who disagrees with you. I believe the only reason my blog has generated more than 20 thousand comments in three years (I realize it is small potatoes compared to the big boys) is because the readers know they can take me on and I will let them have their say and not be defensive if they attack me or my ideas.

    Personally I think Rhett was too nice and diplomatic when he said in his post at firecritic.com that “Jay over at Firefighter Hourly has begun a campaign to move to the mainland after being out on an island by himself for so long”.

    More to the point, you have, for years, taken swipes at the other bloggers. And when they dare respond you wrap yourself in the flag of your service to firefighters.

    Now you talk of unity for the sake of the fire service. The fire service doesn't need unity for the sake of unity. What it needs is responsible voices willing to speak up with integrity and when needed to respectfully disagree or be willing to point out the emperor has no clothes.

    What it doesn't need is censorship, bullying, demagoguery or someone who is just a mouthpiece for the agenda of another organization.

    You can have Twitter, Facebook, microblogging or even microbrewing for all I care. Just give me interesting content and consistency, combined with integrity and even maybe a little humor.

    As I wrote you privately, I sincerely wish you well in your personal battle, but I am not buying this latest of many re-inventions and launchings of new websites. But much luck to you.

    Dave Statter
    http://www.STATter911.com
    dave@statter911.com

  • IAFF Brotherhood

    Something old, something not new—

    I am 0 for 3 in successfully posting comments on Jay’s “new” site. It’s apparent that this “new” effort is just a hollow log filled with the same rotting and decaying matter. It’s a shame that this man who wraps himself in the flag of unity cannot be challenged, cannot be engaged, and cannot be wrong.

    The fire service of today will continue to pooh-pooh the stranglehold of one-sided stories told by those with dull axes and no grinders.

    Someday, he may reach the mainland. But he has to make a 180-degree turn and has quite a bit of paddling to do.

  • http://www.firefighterhourly.com Jay

    Dave:

    I appreciate your views. May God Bless you and your family.

  • http://www.firefighterhourly.com Jay

    Rhett:

    A very thoughtful post. While it's true pageviews mean “something” I think you will find, in the next 18 months, a dramatic shift. My goal, and maybe I didn't express it well enough, is to offer clues as to how the shift has begun in small but quantifiable ways.

    Am I moving to the mainland? That's a good way to put it but my reason has less to do with wanting “numbers” and more to do with mortality, illness and wanting to see the fire service move forward. I've always marched to my own drummer and still do but any man who has a chance to survey life in view of death will likely see things he didn't see before. Hourly has been successful because it was on an island but “I” am not Hourly.

    The posts now at Halligan & Hose are more along the lines of what I'm leaving out on. They represent a group effort.

    All the best Rhett.

  • http://www.firefighterhourly.com Jay

    Oh and the click throughs to the blog mean little. People read the feeds or emails and get the information.

    Salut

  • http://www.STATter911.com Dave Statter

    Rhett,

    Below is my response to all of this that I just posted on Mr. Lowry's website.

    Thanks,

    Statter

    Jay,

    Is this a change in policy? Allowing other bloggers to respond and take issue with what you write? The last time you refused to post or even acknowledge my very respectful comments asking you about your policy. This came after you killed Rhett's comments and blasted him for daring to post a comment on another person's blog.

    As a long time member of the “old media” and one of those “mainstream reporters” you have long warned people not to trust, I think you have it all wrong.

    It isn't about any of those things. It is about content. If I have had any success as a blogger or through Twitter and Facebook it is only because people are interested in what I am posting.

    Sure you can trick people in the short run to look at anything. If you don't tell them something they don't know about or provoke an interesting discussion, they aren't coming back. It doesn't matter what your platform is.

    It also helps to have an open exchange of ideas and not be fearful of someone who disagrees with you. I believe the only reason my blog has generated more than 20 thousand comments in three years (I realize it is small potatoes compared to the big boys) is because the readers know they can take me on and I will let them have their say and not be defensive if they attack me or my ideas.

    Personally I think Rhett was too nice and diplomatic when he said in his post at firecritic.com that “Jay over at Firefighter Hourly has begun a campaign to move to the mainland after being out on an island by himself for so long”.

    More to the point, you have, for years, taken swipes at the other bloggers. And when they dare respond you wrap yourself in the flag of your service to firefighters.

    Now you talk of unity for the sake of the fire service. The fire service doesn't need unity for the sake of unity. What it needs is responsible voices willing to speak up with integrity and when needed to respectfully disagree or be willing to point out the emperor has no clothes.

    What it doesn't need is censorship, bullying, demagoguery or someone who is just a mouthpiece for the agenda of another organization.

    You can have Twitter, Facebook, microblogging or even microbrewing for all I care. Just give me interesting content and consistency, combined with integrity and even maybe a little humor.

    As I wrote you privately, I sincerely wish you well in your personal battle, but I am not buying this latest of many re-inventions and launchings of new websites. But much luck to you.

    Dave Statter
    http://www.STATter911.com
    dave@statter911.com

  • http://www.statter911.com Dave Statter

    If you appreciate it so much, why not post it. I can assure you I would post yours, just like Rhett has.

    Statter

  • http://www.STATter911.com Dave Statter

    I am sorry, this topic has now been declared dead by the king of all fire service media. Please give it a proper burial and never, ever mention it again.

    Dave

  • IAFF Brotherhood

    As another great leader from the past said: “So shall it be written, so shall it be done.”

  • http://www.statter911.com Dave Statter

    If you appreciate it so much, why not post it. I can assure you I would post yours, just like Rhett has.

    Statter

  • http://www.STATter911.com Dave Statter

    I am sorry, this topic has now been declared dead by the king of all fire service media. Please give it a proper burial and never, ever mention it again.

    Dave

  • IAFF Brotherhood

    As another great leader from the past said: “So shall it be written, so shall it be done.”

  • http://legeros.com/blog Legeros

    Great discussion topic! Dave, great comments, in particular the line “Just give me interesting content and consistency, combined with integrity and even maybe a little humor.”

    Combined with your perspective on drawing readers into interesting conversation, and that might be the simple, successful formula for fire blogging.

    I've been wearing the blogger hat nearly five years. OMG. I have been learning as I go, and am probably still finding my voice. That is, a consistent voice.

    There's a delicate balance between “all about me” and “all about everybody else.” Though, really, it's the latter. I am serving those who serve.

    Censorship is the trickiest thing that I have faced, and continue to face. I am not a fan of not nice. But I should be more trusting, perhaps. Our local departments are bigger and stronger than the effects of any south-heading blog comments, I believe.

    Damn delete key.

  • http://legeros.com/blog Legeros

    Great discussion topic! Dave, great comments, in particular the line “Just give me interesting content and consistency, combined with integrity and even maybe a little humor.”

    Combined with your perspective on drawing readers into interesting conversation, and that might be the simple, successful formula for fire blogging.

    I've been wearing the blogger hat nearly five years. OMG. I have been learning as I go, and am probably still finding my voice. That is, a consistent voice.

    There's a delicate balance between “all about me” and “all about everybody else.” Though, really, it's the latter. I am serving those who serve.

    Censorship is the trickiest thing that I have faced, and continue to face. I am not a fan of not nice. But I should be more trusting, perhaps. Our local departments are bigger and stronger than the effects of any south-heading blog comments, I believe.

    Damn delete key.

  • http://firecritic.com Fire Critic

    Jay,

    mortality, moving the fire service forward? I assure you we are in the same arena on the points…

    Hourly might be successful, but not because it is on an island. We have all seen that success wane. I was merely throwing you a rope… I think you are missing out on a lot.

    And yes, you are hourly! if you weren't hourly you would allow many comments. Hell, even Statter allows jabs thrown at him. The main thing that gets a comment banned is profanity.

    I like to throw a jab at him on occasion and he always posts it!

  • http://firecritic.com Fire Critic

    Legeros, I think I am testament to the failure of comments/moderation/censorship… That is with the Roanoke Fire Blog. In the end it was not possible to make everyone happy. It is not the same as your blog, but you just never know. Roanoke Fire Blog comments got out of control and I never could get them back to a professional level.

  • http://www.statter911.com Dave Statter

    Mike,

    The biggest complaints I get about the blog are the comments. I have struggled with this. I am pretty liberal in allowing a lot to go through.

    If you are ever looking for a way to deal with so called “toxic comments” that attack you (Rhett gets them from me all the time), I wrote something for another blogger that might interest you – http://www.emergencymgmt.com/emergency-blogs/cr

    We are all learning as we go along.

    Providing interesting content doesn't mean it can't be about you or your opinions. You just need to be saying something in the process. I believe no one would have paid any mind to STATter911 if I was giving my opinion on fireground tactics. Having not been a firefighter for 30 years means I have no standing there. While I spot most of the issues in the videos I run, you almost never see me writing about it.

    By contrast, I hope that someone might have an interest in my thoughts on dealing with the political and public image end of things. Even if they don't like what I am saying. The important thing is not just stating the obvious that everyone already knows. And try not to be boring. I believe I just violated both of those rules.

    One of my favorite newer blogs is Jeff Bressler's The Fire PIO. It is narrowly focused, but quite interesting. I may not always agree with him, but Jeff is never boring. He is also willing to stick his neck out on some controversial issues. There is always plenty of there, there in his postings.

    Enough of this foolishness.

    Statter

  • Bobby

    As someone who reads Statter and Rhett every post I must register extreme disappointment. Statter sounds obsessed about this and comes off looking much worse than anyone else mentioned. All of you guys need to get over yourself.

  • Billy

    Yeah, Rhett and Dave. Keep it up and “Bobby” won't read EVERY post. Cuckoo!

  • http://legeros.com/blog Legeros

    Obsessed is a good word to described how seriously I take my blogging. But I am also full of myself. Or at least full of something.

    Maybe it's a prerequisite!

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  • http://legeros.com/blog Legeros

    That’s good stuff, Dave. I think you should write that book, or at least more broadly publish your perspective on toxic comments. I have observed similar, smaller-scale user behaviors on my blog. Over time, civil trumps otherwise. Readers take anal openings to task. (Credit EMS blogger 9-ECHO-1 for that euphemism.)

    Continuing my naval examinations, another issue that I frequently ponder are “bad press” stories. e.g., arrests, scandals, etc. A good percentage of my blog postings are about news items. But when I read “bad press” about a local department, I often stay my hand.

    What's the role of the buff-blogger in such situations? Am I really a citizen journalist, who should step to the plate, and provide (one more) outlet for that information?

    I have concluded over time that my role (as buff-blogger, not amateur journalist) is a function of value. Will the posting (and comments therein) add value? Does the posting add “something” to the perception, participation, awareness, or discussion of the-bad-thing-that-happened.

    Meta-postings are a different matter. You'll catch me blogging about blogging about something. I may not mention specifically the-bad-thing-that-happened, but will talk about talking about it.

    Readers have thanked me privately for such restraint. The common quote is “no good from come from that.” But, wait, that's a short-circuiting of this very social media system! And no growth can occur—no self-policing is possible—when the trickier discussions don’t happen.

    Maybe if I were more insulated, I'd blog more “openly.” But I see these folks all the time, in person, and get a fair sampling of their feelings. Uh oh. Just said the F word. Feelings.

    They have no place in the fire service, right? Except, everyone is a big honkin’ bag of them. Feelings drive everything. And I guess that’s one of my smell tests. Does it feel right? Or, if you prefer, will it feel right to readers?

    Saw a great directive on an outdated EMS discussion board the other day. It read: Please Treat Our Topics as Conversations Between Real People.

  • http://www.statter911.com Dave Statter

    Hi Bobby,

    You may be correct how it sounds and how I come off on this topic. That is in the eye of the beholder. But I make no apologies for my stand on this. I think there has been a bully factor going on for too long (and it continues with the failure to post comments and the edict of no more conversation on this topic).

    I try to be direct and work hard at not being mean in my comments. I may lose a few fans along the way, but so be it. I won’t lose any sleep over it as long as I have done my best to be fair to all parties involved.

    BTW, you shouldn’t read every post from Rhett or me. Especially Rhett’s stuff (so much for being fair). It could be hazardous to your health to ingest that much junk food for your brain.

    I do sincerely thank you for reading and appreciate your views on this topic.

    Mike,

    Thanks for reading it. I followed the same process last week on another non-fire related forum in reference to comments about my TV retirement. It seemed to work, but some of my colleagues think I am crazy for even trying.

    Hopefully you will be in Baltimore and we can have a nice long discussion about all of this.

    All of these are issues I have considered in the past and am reasonably comfortable with my choices (though the comments section has always been a nagging issue). I will need to take another look at all of this now as my career focus has changed. The blog continues, but there will have to be some changes in the coming weeks. More on that later.

    You input and support is always appreciated. And never hesitate to slap me around publicly or privately if you think I am full of it, lost my way or jumped the shark.

    Statter

  • http://legeros.com/blog Legeros

    That’s good stuff, Dave. I think you should write that book, or at least more broadly publish your perspective on toxic comments. I have observed similar, smaller-scale user behaviors on my blog. Over time, civil trumps otherwise. Readers take anal openings to task. (Credit EMS blogger 9-ECHO-1 for that euphemism.)

    Continuing my naval examinations, another issue that I frequently ponder are “bad press” stories. e.g., arrests, scandals, etc. A good percentage of my blog postings are about news items. But when I read “bad press” about a local department, I often stay my hand.

    What's the role of the buff-blogger in such situations? Am I really a citizen journalist, who should step to the plate, and provide (one more) outlet for that information?

    I have concluded over time that my role (as buff-blogger, not amateur journalist) is a function of value. Will the posting (and comments therein) add value? Does the posting add “something” to the perception, participation, awareness, or discussion of the-bad-thing-that-happened.

    Meta-postings are a different matter. You'll catch me blogging about blogging about something. I may not mention specifically the-bad-thing-that-happened, but will talk about talking about it.

    Readers have thanked me privately for such restraint. The common quote is “no good from come from that.” But, wait, that's a short-circuiting of this very social media system! And no growth can occur—no self-policing is possible—when the trickier discussions don’t happen.

    Maybe if I were more insulated, I'd blog more “openly.” But I see these folks all the time, in person, and get a fair sampling of their feelings. Uh oh. Just said the F word. Feelings.

    They have no place in the fire service, right? Except, everyone is a big honkin’ bag of them. Feelings drive everything. And I guess that’s one of my smell tests. Does it feel right? Or, if you prefer, will it feel right to readers?

    Saw a great directive on an outdated EMS discussion board the other day. It read: Please Treat Our Topics as Conversations Between Real People.

  • Bobby

    Dave I'm sorry but you don't see how you look. No one appointed you Guardian Angel and the way you come off makes you seem like an attention seeker who is mad because the other guy gets more attention than you. Not to mention that based on what you wrote here and what he wrote he has reached out to end things. You are losing respect among people who really respect you. Someone like him won't ever lose a public battle because a lot of firefighters love him. Maybe not those of us who go to conferences but among guys in firehouses he is liked. You can lose here and will because he has taken the high road right here. ALL of you need to quit the inner bickering and focus on content. I kow you see this Dave because you are a smart guy. I won't continue to read anything by anyone keeping up this drama.

  • http://www.firefighterhourly.com Jay

    Bobby:

    It has ended for me. I wish Dave and Rhett the very best and hope God blesses them both.

  • http://burnedoutmedic.com burnedoutmedic

    regarding the original post, i’m not sure what it means too to have all these ways of connecting with other people. the ease with which you can click on someone’s site is the same ease with which you can click to leave for another site. technology promotes short attention spans.

    when i first put together a simple blog almost 5 years ago, it was limited in what you can do to attract readers, especially in such specialized fields as ours. for one reason or another, i slowly stopped blogging. and then i picked it back up, and voila, there are all these ways you can network with other bloggers and sites, but a basic issue is that people outside our world don’t usually mosey on in and read our stuff.

  • Bobby

    Dave I'm sorry but you don't see how you look. No one appointed you Guardian Angel and the way you come off makes you seem like an attention seeker who is mad because the other guy gets more attention than you. Not to mention that based on what you wrote here and what he wrote he has reached out to end things. You are losing respect among people who really respect you. Someone like him won't ever lose a public battle because a lot of firefighters love him. Maybe not those of us who go to conferences but among guys in firehouses he is liked. You can lose here and will because he has taken the high road right here. ALL of you need to quit the inner bickering and focus on content. I kow you see this Dave because you are a smart guy. I won't continue to read anything by anyone keeping up this drama.

  • http://www.firefighterhourly.com Jay

    Bobby:

    It has ended for me. I wish Dave and Rhett the very best and hope God blesses them both.

  • http://firecritic.com Fire Critic

    It is bigger than that Bobby.

    That is fine that people respect him. Here is the problem. Jay says stuff and doesn't back it up. When confronted, he turns the other cheek, says “God Blesses You”, and retracts what he said.

    Dave and I have both learned that if you are willing to say something then you better be standing there to back it up. This has been a lesson learned in life and through our internet personalities.

    Dave and I get negative comments and we stand around to take our lumps, understand the opposing view and don't remove comments because we don't agree with the person. That is the beautiful thing. That is also why people don't comment on FFhourly as much anymore. Because if Jay doesn't like it he removes it. It simply is not fair to the readers.

  • Bobby

    Starting a middle school flame war on the internet. What I liked about you guys was the lack of drama. You are no better anymore. When you talk about comments and who does what why don't you worry about your own respective blogs. This is childish nonsense. You are ruining two damned good blogs because some guy is making both of you jump through hoops. He will win because both of you got down in the gutter. This has to be about your egos getting hit somewhere along the way because otherwise this would be nothing but a shrug. Well some of your readers may like it but you just lost me and the guys I know. Thanks for stooping low.

  • http://firecritic.com Fire Critic

    I didn't start a flame war. The post was not intended to be that way. I think you are blowing this out of proportion.

    For the record, I am glad to see Jay networking with other fire bloggers. I think it is healthy.

    However, I do not comment much on his site because some gets published and others don't. The stuff that doesn't is not inflammatory, vulgar, or mean. It is merely comments asking questions or offering my opposing point of view.

    Case and point, much of what has been written here in these comments would never have made it on Jay's site. It is unfortunate. I appreciate your comments Bobby. It keeps me grounded. I love comments which make me think or realize the other side of things.

  • http://www.statter911.com Dave Statter

    Bobby,

    You are correct, I am not the guardian angel. I'm also not the one making claims about old media, new media, hyperblogging and all that other crap.

    Sorry to lose your respect Bobby. Not my intention. My experience after 38 years in the news business is that if you treat people fairly, the respect usually follows.

    I can assure you I would gladly run your negative comments about me on my own blog. I am also certain that Rhett would still run your comments even if they were directed at him. Can you say that about the blogger you defend?

    If that's the “high road” I want no parts of it and I will just stay in the gutter with Rhett.

    I am very comfortable with everything I have written about this topic. If my facts prove to be wrong, or you show evidence that my opinion is greatly misguided I am interested in hearing what you have. Everything I have seen is that this same predictable pattern continues.

    The, don't talk about this because firefighters love him argument doesn't wash with me. Sorry. But I do appreciate you taking the time to write and share your thoughts.

    I also have the utmost respect for Rhett for printing your comments.

    And so it goes.

    Statter

  • http://www.statter911.com Dave Statter

    Bobby,

    You are correct, I am not the guardian angel. I'm also not the one making claims about old media, new media, hyperblogging and all that other crap.

    Sorry to lose your respect Bobby. Not my intention. My experience after 38 years in the news business is that if you treat people fairly, the respect usually follows.

    I can assure you I would gladly run your negative comments about me on my own blog. I am also certain that Rhett would still run your comments even if they were directed at him. Can you say that about the blogger you defend?

    If that's the “high road” I want no parts of it and I will just stay in the gutter with Rhett.

    I am very comfortable with everything I have written about this topic. If my facts prove to be wrong, or you show evidence that my opinion is greatly misguided I am interested in hearing what you have. Everything I have seen is that this same predictable pattern continues.

    The, don't talk about this because firefighters love him argument doesn't wash with me. Sorry. But I do appreciate you taking the time to write and share your thoughts.

    I also have the utmost respect for Rhett for printing your comments.

    And so it goes.

    Statter

  • http://www.statter911.com Dave Statter

    Bobby,

    You are correct. No one appointed me guardian angel. In fact, that may be the very first time the word angel has ever been used in a sentence about me.

    I am not sure what you mean when you say that I am mad that the other person gets more attention than me. What attention are you talking about? Does “attention” equal pageviews, or awards, or the number of comments? I am not clear on that one, so please explain.

    If taking the “high road”, as you claim this other blogger has done, means deleting the comments of those who respond to your post and then declaring the topic you brought up as off limits because someone dares to question you, then I will just stay down in the gutter with Rhett.

    Your argument to leave him alone because firefighters love him sounds awfully familiar as a defense. Something very similar was used when Rhett dared to challenge a previous posting about FireEMSblogs.com. Sorry, that one doesn't work on me.

    Also, your threat of refusing to read anyone who dares to continue writing about this topic sounds very familiar. Let's see, you stated your opinion rather strongly about me and now are essentially trying to cut off any futher discussion of the topic. Bobby, what I am pointing out is your way of dealing with this is exactly what we are talking about. But still, I respect that you are willing to state your case.

    And I hope you respect the fact that Rhett is willing to publish your comments and The Fire Critic would still publish them even if they were critical of him.

    Please note, that the blogger in question could have done things differently this time, but instead followed the same predictable pattern we have seen for three years. And so it goes.

    Dave Statter

  • http://legeros.com/blog Legeros

    As a side note, something that I have learned about myself is that I have two distinct personas on my blog. There's Mike as Poster and Mike as Commenter. Or maybe it's modes.

    And that's thing about a blog. The tenor of postings can run the gamut. Some times we get personal, and maybe uncomfortably so for readers. Thinking about this discussion, and deleted blog comments, what's the appropriate response for anyone whose comments are removed or withheld from an errant blog? Let it go? Try another time? Talk about it in civil fashion on another blog, or forum? Rant about it on another forum? Lotsa options!

  • http://www.statter911.com Dave Statter

    Bobby,

    You are correct. No one appointed me guardian angel. In fact, that may be the very first time the word angel has ever been used in a sentence about me.

    I am not sure what you mean when you say that I am mad that the other person gets more attention than me. What attention are you talking about? Does “attention” equal pageviews, or awards, or the number of comments? I am not clear on that one, so please explain.

    If taking the “high road”, as you claim this other blogger has done, means deleting the comments of those who respond to your post and then declaring the topic you brought up as off limits because someone dares to question you, then I will just stay down in the gutter with Rhett.

    Your argument to leave him alone because firefighters love him sounds awfully familiar as a defense. Something very similar was used when Rhett dared to challenge a previous posting about FireEMSblogs.com. Sorry, that one doesn't work on me.

    Also, your threat of refusing to read anyone who dares to continue writing about this topic sounds very familiar. Let's see, you stated your opinion rather strongly about me and now are essentially trying to cut off any futher discussion of the topic. Bobby, what I am pointing out is your way of dealing with this is exactly what we are talking about. But still, I respect that you are willing to state your case.

    And I hope you respect the fact that Rhett is willing to publish your comments and The Fire Critic would still publish them even if they were critical of him.

    Please note, that the blogger in question could have done things differently this time, but instead followed the same predictable pattern we have seen for three years. And so it goes.

    Dave Statter

  • http://legeros.com/blog Legeros

    As a side note, something that I have learned about myself is that I have two distinct personas on my blog. There's Mike as Poster and Mike as Commenter. Or maybe it's modes.

    And that's thing about a blog. The tenor of postings can run the gamut. Some times we get personal, and maybe uncomfortably so for readers. Thinking about this discussion, and deleted blog comments, what's the appropriate response for anyone whose comments are removed or withheld from an errant blog? Let it go? Try another time? Talk about it in civil fashion on another blog, or forum? Rant about it on another forum? Lotsa options!

  • http://www.averagejakeff.wordpress.com RobbyO

    I am with you Dave…..I used to read Firefighter Hourly….well hourly (lol), and very few of my comments were posted. When I emailed Jay about this (granted I am small time and he probably doesnt remember) I got ZERO response to that as well. So there for he lost a reader. I havent been to his site in a year and wont be looking at his new one.

    Having a blog of my own now (granted very very small time) I dont plan on moderating the comments to much. Disagreement is healthy and needed and as long as its respectful, and not profanity laden I dont even mind if shots are taken at me.

    Rhett and Dave I really enjoy both your blogs keep up the good work

    Robby Owens
    http://www.averagejakeff.wordpress.com

  • http://www.averagejakeff.wordpress.com RobbyO

    I am with you Dave…..I used to read Firefighter Hourly….well hourly (lol), and very few of my comments were posted. When I emailed Jay about this (granted I am small time and he probably doesnt remember) I got ZERO response to that as well. So there for he lost a reader. I havent been to his site in a year and wont be looking at his new one.

    Having a blog of my own now (granted very very small time) I dont plan on moderating the comments to much. Disagreement is healthy and needed and as long as its respectful, and not profanity laden I dont even mind if shots are taken at me.

    Rhett and Dave I really enjoy both your blogs keep up the good work

    Robby Owens
    http://www.averagejakeff.wordpress.com

  • http://www.statter911.com Dave Statter

    Sorry for the two comments back to back. I wrote the second one, because the first one didn't show up and I thought I forgot to hit enter.

    Statter

  • http://firecritic.com Fire Critic

    Robbie, It seems as though we have the same sentiments.

    As I said before, I have seen the dark side running a blog for my department (unofficially).

    Apparently I have been banned by Jay over at his site now. He called me a troll (it still hurts).

    Here is the thing… I was there when he started out. I gave him some help and liked what he was doing. When he went off on the deep end I lost interest. The whole comments thing really got to me as well.

    I don't think I have ever not allowed a comment here on Fire Critic. I am not saying I won't. Slander, assaults, and just plain vulgarity probably won't make it to being published. I am fair game though. When I offer my thoughts, I expect an opposing view. I relish in learning another side of things, or debating it!

    Thanks for your comment!